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 Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 16:42:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
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mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 02:12:13 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
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"Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in message
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Still not giving away any details of websites etc.
Why not..?
Not even asking for Beta Testers.
Certainly Doesnt want Ivor to be a Beta Tester.
That's just as well, because it's the last thing I'd
want to be.
Only because you are a complete know all that knows B all
A lot more than you ever will mate.
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Well at least I do not think that when anyone asked people for
information the are spamming the forum which you do, Moses so
what anyone post here you are screaming spam like a big kid.
Grow up and get over it perhaps a change of nappy would help
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 02:06:06 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
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clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:50 GMT, "Richard Colton"
webmaster@NILSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote:
Exactly how fucking old are you Ron?
Oh dear more foul language now you know Ivor does not
allow this in his fourum .
I'm getting dangerously close to yawning here...
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Well I sincerely hope you get lockjaw in that case . |
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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"Infant Newbie" <infant@newbie.new> wrote in
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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snip
Sipgate are still in business, they were one of the first and are
still there, they must be doing something right.
Ivor
Ivor, I am happy to have you on board with such a good point. However,
we have a TWIST to our service and the calls from end users should all
be free (cant say more and I wont elaborate). We will however provide
a traditional service which I want to be TOP NOTCH. It might not even
need to be profitable - all it needs to do is pay its own way. So I am
thinking, quality, quality quality.
Ahh so someone has to listen to an advert before the call is connected |
methinks - OK it's a business model, not one I'd go for, but it's an
approach.
What I don't want is : resellers, spam (ignoring what has been said
before), poor call quality, obscure call pricing plans, hard-to-get out
of contracts.
What I do want is : one-off payments (rather than monthly charges) for
things like geo numbers; a choice of number; settable outgoing CLID;
simple (yes *simple*) setting instructions for my ATA (and his, and his,
and hers);veiwable on-line call cost records.
What I'd like is : a second tier service that I can ignore if I want to
that includes the bells & whistles that 'professional users' might want
- that might even extend to voicemail.
What I think I'm describing is mostly Sipgate with a bit of Voip.co.uk
thrown in.
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 02:06:06 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:50:50 GMT, "Richard Colton"
webmaster@NILSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote:
Exactly how fucking old are you Ron?
Oh dear more foul language now you know Ivor does not
allow this in his fourum .
I'm getting dangerously close to yawning here...
Well I sincerely hope you get lockjaw in that case .
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Thanks, it's nice to be popular :-)
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well at least I do not think that when anyone asked
people for information the are spamming the forum which
you do,
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How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise anyone or anything.
Even if I was, this isn't a forum, but we've already had this discussion.
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Moses so what anyone post here you are screaming
spam like a big kid. Grow up and get over it perhaps a
change of nappy would help you .
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That bit doesn't make sense, could you rewrite it in comprehensible
English please..?
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:31:17 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
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mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
Well at least I do not think that when anyone asked
people for information the are spamming the forum which
you do,
How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise anyone or anything.
Even if I was, this isn't a forum, but we've already had this discussion.
Moses so what anyone post here you are screaming
spam like a big kid. Grow up and get over it perhaps a
change of nappy would help you .
That bit doesn't make sense, could you rewrite it in comprehensible
English please..?
Ivor
You leave me no choice I did try to avoid this but you have asked for |
it now rewritten just for you Herr Jones so no complaints please
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fuck me stiff whatever anyone post here you are screaming
spam like a big kid. Grow up and get over it perhaps a
change of nappy would help you . |
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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fuck me stiff whatever anyone post here you are screaming
spam like a big kid. Grow up and get over it perhaps a
change of nappy would help you .
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Ah, foul language. Now I understand your true level. Grow up.
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:33:09 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
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mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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fuck me stiff whatever anyone post here you are screaming
spam like a big kid. Grow up and get over it perhaps a
change of nappy would help you .
Ah, foul language. Now I understand your true level. Grow up.
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Ah now I understand why clavox loves to have a go at you every time he
gets the chance if all subscribers to this forum took the same
attitude towards you there my be a chance that you could just FUCK
OFF . |
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:33:09 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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fuck me stiff whatever anyone post here you are
screaming spam like a big kid. Grow up and get over
it perhaps a change of nappy would help you .
Ah, foul language. Now I understand your true level.
Grow up.
Ah now I understand why clavox loves to have a go at you
every time he gets the chance if all subscribers to this
forum took the same attitude towards you there my be a
chance that you could just FUCK OFF .
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Not a chance. And this still isn't a forum.
Grow up and stop swearing. People with intelligence don't need to swear to
make their point.
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:47:38 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
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Not a chance. And this still isn't a forum.
It IS a forum and other people say it IS a forum also
Grow up and stop swearing.
Just who gave you the right to tell others what to do Ivor |
if I or anyone else wants to swear here or anywhere else
they will and you will not stop them now FOAD . |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:47:38 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
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Not a chance. And this still isn't a forum.
It IS a forum and other people say it IS a forum also
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They are wrong.
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Grow up and stop swearing.
Just who gave you the right to tell others what to do Ivor
if I or anyone else wants to swear here or anywhere else
they will and you will not stop them now FOAD .
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Ah, so you can tell me what to do but not the other way around.
Right.
Why do you feel it necessary to swear, anyway..? An intelligent person
doesn't need to.
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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"SBS" <no.spam@me> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Hi man, are you here on holiday? ;-)
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Hi,
yes, virtual vacations ;-P |
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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Ivor Jones wrote:
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How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise anyone or anything.
Even if I was, this isn't a forum, but we've already had this discussion.
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Ivor, as much as I respect your knowledge of all things voip, etc., you
are wrong on this one. A forum is any place where things can be
discussed, not just a "bulletin board" type website. Live long and
prosper, but stick to voip not linguistics.
http://www.answers.com/forum&r=67
fo·rum (fôr'əm, fōr'-)
n., pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr'ə, fōr'ə).
1.
1. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city
that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
2. A public meeting place for open discussion.
3. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a
newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
2. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually
among experts and often including audience participation.
3. A court of law; a tribunal. |
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:42 am Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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"Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
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Ivor Jones wrote:
How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise
anyone or anything. Even if I was, this isn't a forum,
but we've already had this discussion.
Ivor, as much as I respect your knowledge of all things
voip, etc., you are wrong on this one. A forum is any
place where things can be discussed, not just a "bulletin
board" type website. Live long and prosper, but stick to
voip not linguistics.
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As has been discussed ad nauseum in other places, I am *not* wrong. We are
talking about *Usenet* convention and not dictionary definition.
Usenet is a platform where groups are hosted in multiple locations using
nntp format. Forums are web based, hosted in a single location using http
access.
*That* is the definition I apply and the only one I recognise.
Take it or leave it, I do not propose to discuss it further here, it has
already been done to death elsewhere.
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:49 am Post subject: Re: What do you want from a VOIP provider |
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Mike the unimaginative wrote:
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Ahh so someone has to listen to an advert before the call is connected
methinks - OK it's a business model, not one I'd go for, but it's an
approach.
What I don't want is : resellers, spam (ignoring what has been said
before), poor call quality, obscure call pricing plans, hard-to-get out
of contracts.
What I do want is : one-off payments (rather than monthly charges) for
things like geo numbers; a choice of number; settable outgoing CLID;
simple (yes *simple*) setting instructions for my ATA (and his, and his,
and hers);veiwable on-line call cost records.
What I'd like is : a second tier service that I can ignore if I want to
that includes the bells & whistles that 'professional users' might want
- that might even extend to voicemail.
What I think I'm describing is mostly Sipgate with a bit of Voip.co.uk
thrown in.
The one thing that puts me off going fully VOIP (I use voip.co.uk for |
outgoing calls and BT for incoming) is ownership of any allocated
geographic number and the 'permanence' of the VOIP provider. Like many
people I suspect, my telephone number is widely known and therefore more
important to me than the telco providing it. I could port my current BT
number to voip.co.uk but what would happen if they went bust? I
suspect that the number would automatically revert back to BT's pool and
I would have no claim over it. Equally I could choose to publicise my
voip.co.uk number(s) and then I'd almost definitely lose them.
In an ideal world I would 'own' the number and then choose a telco to
provide service... |
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